Saturday, May 02, 2009

Refuting "It," Thus

or, Why I am not a Rationalist

(for Russell Blackford)

Every time we use English (or whatever tongue we may speak) we participate in an enchantment. Under the casual, even flippant definitions currently in use by today's Rationalist Avengers, you could even say that we participate in a religion: in speaking and writing we constantly invoke supernatural entities with apparently unbounded power and presence. The "it" of "it is raining." Is there anything it cannot do, anywhere it cannot be, anything it cannot know? And yet this "it" has no actual discernible existence. It is a phantom, one that we can't stop talking about.

This presents a problem for the insistence, prominent of late, that one can discern the beliefs and dispositions of a mind based upon the texts it uses. Are we all, then, "barking mad?"

English, in particular, is also constructed so that we are dedicated to expressing a particular ontology, or metaphysics, wherein we distinguish between an actor and an act in any given observation. That is to say, in the world, at any given moment, there are discrete "things" that can be found "doing" (or not doing) certain activities, or "having" certain properties. In linguistics this is called subject-predicate structure.

The "it" in "it is raining" is a bookkeeping trick devised to split the event of "raining" into subject and predicate, so it is grammatically expressible. The antecedent of "it" is the rain itself. The antecedent of "it" in the the phrase "it is hot today" is "hot." Translated: rain is raining. Hotness is hotting.

We can avoid the phantom "it" that is raining, and the silly redundancy of rain raining and hot hotting by saying instead "rain is falling," or "rain falls." But what we still have not avoided, and cannot avoid so long as we persist in speaking grammatically, is the division of the rain event into our noun-verb clause, which our English grammar will not allow us to abrogate.

To say, then, that "rain is falling" is to denote a "thing," rain, that has the property of falling or not-falling at any given moment in time; the connotation is that there "is," on a sunny day, "rain not-falling." We might ask, without necessarily meaning to lapse into the idiom of the koan, what is the nature of rain when "it" is not raining? (Or, to borrow an example from philosopher Suzanne Langer, where does the red glow of hot iron "go" when we cool it down to room temperature?)

That language involves reification (at least in English) isn't any kind of deep secret. The noun spell, as in something a witch or wizard might place us under, has the same root as the verb "spell" that indicates we are constructing words. The very act of making words, or employing language, is an enchantment--we're just so accustomed to doing it (we're such accomplished magicians!) that we cannot see what we are doing for what it is.

***

There's an objection to this line of thinking, and it's not a bad one. One is likely to hear it expressed today in terms of an air disaster: if all the apparent world is just a collection of dreams and illusions, in what do we place our confidence when we book seats on a 747? But the argument is much older than jet planes. Sam Johnson said it most pithily, responding to Bishop Berkekey's "immaterialism": I refute it thus!

Or did he? Note what Johnson did not say. He did not tell Boswell, in words, that Berkelean idealism can be falsified by a palpable action in the physical world, such as stone-kicking, which has the clear and reliable effect of moving the stone a certain predictable distance (calculable by Netwonian means), and raising a blister or bruise on one's leading toe. He didn't really say anything at all. He refused discourse altogether, choosing to answer outside of language, outside of the spell. His "thus," here, bears a family resemblance to the Sanskrit concept "Tat," a cognate of our own "that," indicating Being or "suchness." In Wittgensteinian terms, of that which he could not speak, he passed over in silence. But the refutation was still made, and we remember it today, even if often misunderstand it.

***

The spell that today's rationalists and naturalists choose to cast upon themselves has its own special name: the Ionian Enchantment (coined by physicist Gerald Holton , and employed, without irony, by such prominent a figure as biologist E.O. Wilson, in his book "Consilience.") In Wilson's words, the Ionian Enchantment is "a conviction, far deeper than a mere working proposition, that the world is orderly and can be explained by a small number of natural laws." I don't relate this fact to belittle or diminish this particular spell, merely to observe that it is one. In more vernacular terms, the Ionian Enchantment is referred to as reductionism. As its defenders and practitioners are quick to point out, reductionism works--if by "works" we mean that our airliners go from place to place without incident, with enough reliability to make it a worthwhile endeavor.

But this is a definition that is built into the question. Within it is embedded the supposition that technology makes our lives better. How do we know? Because it manifestly makes our lives "better," where "better" is defined as the thing that technology does.

I do not write against jet planes as such. I am not mounting a Luddite argument, which after all would be the same as the technocratic argument, just backwards. Rejecting technology wholesale is the same as embracing it wholesale. In neither case do we ask any hard questions about value, or meaning. Returning for a moment to the Richard Dawkins quotation that I cited in a prefatory posting, he writes (I have substituted one word):
If all the achievements of scientists were wiped out tomorrow, there would be no doctors but witch doctors, no transport faster than horses, no computers, no printed books, no agriculture beyond subsistence peasant farming. If all the achievements of metaphysicians were wiped out tomorrow, would anyone notice the smallest difference? Even the bad achievements of scientists, the bombs, and sonar-guided whaling vessels work! The achievements of metaphysicians don't do anything, don't affect anything, don't mean anything.
The word I substituted was "metaphysicians," for "theologians." The latter are simply a subset of the former, and it's important here not to get distracted by questions of Christian theology. Metaphysics is something we all have to contend with, being the study (or lack thereof) of the phantoms in our language that I began this post discussing. So long as we use language we are committing to some kind of spell. Are we to be the enchanters or the enchanted? An active examination of metaphysics would favor the former option. The philosophy of reductionism strongly militates for the latter. Ever since the logical positivists of the early 20th century, who strove to trade only in "verifiable" assertions, metaphysics has been said to be moribund. If something is not demonstrable true, argued the positivists, it is meaningless--a position we might characterize as fully enchanted, since it confuses statements about the world--language--for the world itself. "The map for the territory," in Korzybski's analogy. Once we jettison metaphysics, the map-making ends, and we must get by with what we have, however tattered, or inaccurate, whatever the distortions of its projections.

Dawkins' brief against theology, above, is a perfect totem for this view. It is an epic feat of question begging: if there were no technology, there would be no technology, and, since we begin from the stance that a world without technology would be terrible, wouldn't that be terrible? It's harder to parodize Dawkins' view of theology, since he himself isn't very clear what theology is. To Dawkins, theology is a long and pointless exercise in the generation of false and groundless truth claims, thankfully obviated by the discovery of science. But if we recognize that theology is a subset of metaphysics (without, it is important to remember, actually endorsing any particular theological stance, Christian or otherwise), it becomes something slightly less pointless, and far more essential: it becomes the stance from which we order the world around us.

Remove "the achievements of theology" from history, then, and see how many of "the achievements of scientists" are left standing. We would surely "notice" the absence of Newton (there go all the 747s). The loss of Descartes, and Bacon, would inflict a terrible blow on scientific methodology, making medical science all but impossible. We would also lose the Universal Rights of "Man," which first appeared in our history in a theological context. (Those rationalist philosophers, such as A.C. Grayling, who like to argue that contemporary science and ethics are of a direct lineage back to the Golden Age of Greece, where Abrahamic theology has never been more than a harrying, antagonistic influence, are not so good at connecting the dots on this score). This is not to say that our modern naturalistic worldview could never have emerged had it not been for our European theological past. But neither have we any grounds for saying with any certainty that it would. We cannot know; the histories are inseparable, and there are no covering laws of cultural evolution that demonstrate a path from an alternate Point Then to Point Now.

***

In many cases the theological influences on naturalism are quite stark. This is something that comes into more visible relief only when we compare the metaphysics of naturalism and Abrahamic theology, as contrasted with non-dualist metaphysics, such as we find in East and South Asia (Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism) and in countless "spirit" religions in pre-Christian Europe, Africa, and the Americas. Alan Watts has observed that the naturalist view of the Cosmos as a machine is simply Deism with God removed--the "fully automatic model." But this model is neither neutral nor objective. God was not simply the last bit of residue obstructing a clear view of reality. The fully automatic model retains all the features of the Abrahamic model save the supernatural elements, most notably the dualistic separation of man and nature. This has led to a perceived hostility of "nature" toward those who inhabit the world (us), such that the modern scientific "enterprise" treats the Cosmos as something suspect, to be controlled if not outright dominated--and as though we were not part and parcel of this very same natural world. As though, in fact, we had some other origin, and some purpose at odds with the (base, nefarious) purposes of nature. It is a palpably Christian, teleological way of looking at things.

The dualism of "us" versus "our environment" runs through all the sciences (even, ironically, environmental science), and we see it nowhere more clearly than in our apparent inability to treat anything as "sacred" except our own, inevitably transient, concerns: chiefly, food, property, longevity, physical health. These are the implicit ends of Dawkins' defense of technology, above. And they are not in themselves bad things; but for how much longer can we quarantine them from the reality of our placement in the wholeness of the world? Modern agriculture and transport, in particular, have brought our planet to the brink of cataclysm. It's unbearably sick, today, as no one who concerns herself to pay attention can deny. Computers are interesting, and useful, but was the world a worse place before their development, a less "meaningful" place? How do we reconcile their inherent obsolescence, and disposibility with the relative fragility of our environment? On what altar is all of our technological development to be placed, when it has not shown the slightest signs of being harmonious with the actual world we inhabit? Has anyone in the party of the Ionian Enchantment even paused to ask these questions?

***

In economic terms, this kind of fragmentation affords us a special bucket labeled "externalities." Externalities are just a polite code-word for pollution, which is to say they were never all that external to begin with. They were a bookkeeping trick, and a fairly stupid one, even in economic terms, for being so penny-wise and pound-foolish. What is the point of being rich, when all one has to spend one's money on is poisoned water and air, ravaged vistas, and the increasing impossiblity of avoiding the din of our own endless chatter? We have to suspect again, that some kind of spell is in effect, an enchantment that "where we shit" and "where we eat" are two separate, ontologically distinct domains. It is a rather foolish thing to believe, and while we may forgive ourselves this foolishness as an inescapable side effect of our being human, it might, we hope, move us to adopt a kind of compassionate humility that would restrain us from casting other people's delusions as so much more ridiculous than ours. To invite another koan, Kettle, Unblacken Thyself!

[I cannot resist quoting, for example, eminent rationalist philosopher A.C. Grayling, [via Quodlibeta], reminding us of how craven, dim, and ill-mannered are those religious adherents who deign to walk the same sidewalk as respectable citizens (my emphasis):
Of course the point is that Beale-Polkinghorne and their tuppence-halfpenny religious publishers wish to get as much of the respectability of the Royal Society rubbed off on them as they can. This is the strategy adopted by the Templeton Foundation too, of sidling up to proper scientists and scientific establishments and getting their sticky religious fingers on to respectable coat-sleeves in the hope of furthering their agenda - which, to repeat what must endlessly be repeated in these circumstances, is to have the superstitious lucubrations of illiterate goatherds living several thousand years ago given the same credibility as contemporary scientific research.
Whatever the merits of Grayling's position, dressing it up in the language of the caste system would not seem to be lending it any support.

***

There is nothing wrong with Dawkins, Grayling, or anyone else, putting forth that something works on its own terms, be it science, rationality, naturalism, or reductionism. The problem arises when we pretend there is no longer any possible conversation about what those terms are, or could be; that we have no ability, let alone duty, to evaluate--assign value to--the language and ideas that underlie all formal thought. Rationalists argue that this should only be done on a rational basis. Steven Pinker, for example, writing at edge.org (in support of biologist Jerry Coyne's recent jeremiad against "accommodation" of religion,) writes, paradoxically:
Knowledge is a continuous fabric, in which ideas are connected to other ideas. Reason-free zones, in which people can assert arbitrary beliefs safe from ordinary standards of evaluation, can only corrupt this fabric, just as a contradiction can corrupt a system of logic, allowing falsehoods to proliferate through it.
But can one submit reason to reason? Can one justify use of reason, on reasonable grounds? Can reason, in effect, be both premise and conclusion? This is the place where logic meets the mobius strip, the ouroboros, and "turtles all the way down." Reason itself relies on first principles, of which we are often only dimly aware (and often seem "arbitrary" from other vantage points). It has no independent power to anchor our symbolic understanding of the world absolutely or objectively. To fail to see this is to give up the chase too soon. This sort of meta-rationalism leads Pinker down some very strange rabbit holes, as when he writes, later in the passage:
Moral systems depend on factual beliefs, informed by psychology and biology, about what makes human beings suffer or prosper.
And here we reach into our bag of consolation prizes. To not see that prosperity, or any other moral good we might imagine, can be multiply--perhaps even infinitely--defined, is to come again under the full weight of the rationalist enchantment--to fail to see that we can participate in that defining process, and find out just how much dynamism there is still to be experienced in this life. Or, we can continue along being court stenographers to a dying world.

31 Comments:

At 7:17 PM, Anonymous DavidG said...

Fantastic! You have succinctly wrapped up an argument I have been wrapping my head around for months.

 
At 9:58 PM, Blogger Elatia Harris said...

Just great! Thank you. Many fewer turtles...

 
At 9:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chris,

I'm afraid I'm all commented out for today, but did want to say I appreciate this essay. I look forward to your forthcoming post as well.

BTW, did you ever read the 3QD "seminar" with Bilgrami on enchantment -- or lack of it?

Louise Gordon

 
At 10:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

P.S. Just thought I'd toss some Michael Polanyi into the 3QD-Nick-Chris blog mix:

http://www.missouriwestern.edu/orgs/polanyi/essays.htm

Louise Gordon

 
At 12:43 AM, Blogger underverse said...

Louise, I think that was the forthcoming post. But once a wingbag... There will be more.

 
At 8:44 AM, Blogger Russell Blackford said...

While I don't quite know what to say, I'm sort of touched and humbled at having something that obviously took a huge amount of work dedicated to me. I've written a couple of long blog posts myself today: one of them may surprise you, but you'll probably deplore the other one as more of my usual.

Regards,

Russell

 
At 8:43 AM, Anonymous D said...

Hey Chris. Just read your post, thought it was beautifully, even melodiously written, and found it a surprisingly pleasurable read for subject matter this recondite. Looking back on it though, I have to say that I was more baffled by it than anything else. Reading it, I had the uneasy sense it wasn't primarily meant as academic prose.

Perhaps my bewilderment is best expressed by contrasting to Russell Blackford's response. In that reply, I am able to detect arguments, that presumably may be systematized to desired extent, made intricate - or simplified for children - as appropriate, have detail and nuance added or elided, be agreed or disagreed with. I detect beginning, middle and end, in quite prosaic five para form.

Your post by contrast had the tenor of poetry, though perhaps the effect on me is closer to that of ambient music (or plainchant). It seems that examining the argument - assuming that the piece IS intended as a series of arguments - is almost beside the point, that we are really meant to experience - imbibe, soak in - an artistic performance. Checking to see if I agree with particular parts seems something of a piece with wondering if Prufrock has the form of a syllogism.

Is this a matter of our laboring under rival "enchantments", or is it deliberate stylistic choice? Is the intent perhaps to wrench the reader discontinuously into a radically different contemplative framework? If the former, have you a for-dummies version of this argument, a possibly misleading but more tractable popsci version? I suspect it'll be easier to proceed to grad seminar Chris Schoen once junior-high C.S. readings are concluded!

 
At 11:36 AM, Blogger Elatia Harris said...

D, the kind of prose you are seeking a quick descriptor for is called "essay form." Sometimes in an academic setting it's called "expository writing" -- this to distinguish it from the kind of paper in which one formally makes an argument, a paper that must be all about defending points, good or bad ones, or it fails.

Numerous scientists have turned to the essay form when they have something larger than, smaller than or just different than argument in mind. If you want to explore an idea, for instance, you will look dumb making a full dress argument for it. You might instead write an essay to establish the reach of a thesis in development. Unless your ideas come to you whole, and you never rethink. The expository form is most useful to the writer as an idea lab, since many writers -- across disciplines -- are hybrid beasts: they write because they have already thought; they write, too, to find out what they think.

It helps if a reader finds expository writing well written -- that's not considered defocusing in this form, but enjoyable. Writing with an ear for language and writing "poetry" are not the same, although everyone who writes well has been trivialized for that reason, including some poets, for writing too well.

Neither is writing well the point of the essay form -- I for one see little that is belletristic here, despite its being very well written. In an essay, the writer typically seeks to make a reader think bigger than "this is well written" or "guy sure knows how to defend his thinking." It's actually fine for readers to have thoughts of their own rather than to be chiefly concerned with the arguments propounded. This would be called "expanding one's point of view" -- and it's where essay form comes into its own.

If you find a writer does not adhere to academic writing standards in the most conventional sense, that could be your cue not to dismiss what you read, but to set aside your conventions as a reader -- those that do not serve you with 100% of what you read. It will be fascinating to see, when you start blogging, how many conventions of academic writing you may wish to set aside the better to enjoy new forms, and to initiate dialogues that are not all argument/counter-argument. From your present point of view, that may be a possibility that fails to compel because it appears to lack rigor. Write outside the box enough, however, and you will soon see whether it is useful to you to do so. It's about trusting and developing your inner reach and not just getting better at what you already know how to do -- although of course it will make you better at what you already do, too. This is why, as thinkers, scientists find the essay form both relaxing and inspiring.

 
At 12:01 PM, Blogger underverse said...

D,

Thanks for your kind words.

I can affirm I did not set out to baffle. Elatia calls it essay form; I call it blogging. That is, while I strive to be clear in pieces like these, I do not always put the same effort into the finer points of structure and theme as I might for a piece written for publication, perhaps with an eye to the ages.

Even then, however, I probably would shy away from full formal argument. I am not an academic, and don't generally consider myself to be doing real original thinking on these matters--though hopefully I am doing original writing, observing Pound's counsel to "Make It New."

In that sense, this is the "Junior High reading"! It's interesting (and humbly amusing) that a person such as yourself, trained to easily absorb formal arguments, would find informal ones such as this the more esoteric. But I'll keep in mind that you find it so, and that perhaps others do as well, and continue to look for ways to really reach out to the people I hope to be having a dialogue with.

Meanwhile, I hope you can isolate a passage or two that seem particularly elusive to you. Perhaps we can get a clearer view...

 
At 1:57 PM, Anonymous D said...

Okay, two particular things then:

1. Re 'dualism' which seems to play a major role in this post? I see articulated at least:
a. subject and object in language
b. subject and verb in language
c. man and nature
d. nature and technology
e. natural and supernatural
f. the comparison between 'abrahamic' 'non-dualistic' theologies
g. Plato, forms and shadows, etc
h. speech cf being/doing

(Plus of course whatever else I didn't catch)

I can hear a certain musical harmony here, and one that in parts I find euphonious. My trouble here *isn't* that you're not being rigorous - we physicists enjoy few things more than a cavalier disregard of analytic rigor. It's what keeps us from going insane and becoming mathematicians. My trouble is I don't even know (once musical / mystical appreciation is done) what is being claimed or not claimed about these various (non?) oppositions or how roughly how you see their interrelationships.

2. Let's swim around 1a a bit. (Let's say I'm a "rationalist avenger")
a. I see at the very start the assertion that on my account, "it is raining" has the essential qualities of religion, including - of all things - supernaturalism. To me this seems rather like rhetorical gesture (ha, silly rationalists, have trouble accounting for even simple english) masquerading as argument.
b. Your assessment of english and metaphysics takes a particularly strong Sapir-Whorf type claim essentially for granted - because there are subjects and objects and verbs we must partition the world in certain ways. I say particularly strong, because it's not even the semantic resources of the language that are claimed to have these properties, but syntax (perhaps even the very notion of syntax) itself. I'm no linguist, but I'd say SW is right to about the extent Lamarckism is - in highly restricted, asterisked ways - so this intro already makes me suspicious
c. I find it hard to connect (except by tenuous analogy) the language stuff to the rest of the essay, inasmuch as we're doing all of this with english-subject-verb-object language, whether or not we are of the Ionian persuasion

 
At 2:10 PM, Anonymous D said...

Elatia,

I don't see myself as having unusual difficulty with the concept of the essay! I suppose I brought to THIS essay a set of expectations generated over the course of our recent discussions at 3QD, and came expecting to see defended particular claims about naturalism (and Humean challenges), industrialization, a spirit of opposition between man and nature and how and in what sense this is dualistic...

I expected to see defended a set of theses in other words. Not all essay needs to be of this form of course, or to defend anything. I fully expect to jot down several musings and hopefully interesting ideas myself!

 
At 6:58 PM, Anonymous DavidG said...

D,

For me (though Chris may have a different take on things) the first few paragraphs expose not merely syntactic irregularities in English idioms (which every language has in some form or another) but the very imprecision of everyday language and the implication of agency in grammar. I'm also no trained linguist, but from what I've read almost every language divides the world into subjects, objects, and verbs.

Chris' essay dovetails nicely with a recent article linked to in 3QD, The Biocentric Universe, which explains that we cannot untangle reality from the act of our perceiving it - we cannot finally separate subject and object, even though we persist in the delusion that we have done so. It is this delusion - that subject and object are distinct, that we can be impartial, passive observers of the universe - that the Ionian worldview inherits from the Judeo-Christian.

 
At 3:02 PM, Blogger underverse said...

D,

Regarding your first question, I'm claiming that duality is an illusion. Some basic definition is in order here, and our conversation may go better if you read at least the wiki pages on nondualism and the Tao, and see if that helps it go down.

On your second question, I don't think I'm taking a Sapir-Whorf stance for granted here, though I may be arguing in parallel with it. That is, I don't appeal to Sapir-Whorf for any kind of argumentative authority. I think the very fact that language and metaphysics have such an intimate reliance upon one another is argument enough.

I have written elsewhere about the semantic side of the equation (nothing particularly original.) That one goes, in short: we can only say what is not true. This is a function of the abstractive nature of language, which works by analogy and ideation, but can never discuss being itself: "what is." This is the point of the discussion of Samuel Johnson, which is central to the piece. In other words, we can examine the enchantment of language by virtue of syntax or semantics--they both lead us to the same place.

I see at the very start the assertion that on my account, "it is raining" has the essential qualities of religion, including - of all things - supernaturalism. To me this seems rather like rhetorical gesture (ha, silly rationalists, have trouble accounting for even simple english) masquerading as argument.You'll have to be more clear about your objection. Is it that I mean "religion" as an analogy here, and therefore that it's an unfair characterization, because English-speakers don't really "believe" in "it" the way that theists believe in deities?

Let me be more clear about my assertion. Strong (rationalist) atheism opposes discussion of supernatural entities as though they are real, because there is no evidence of this reality. I have some sympathy for this sentiment. We are all a little alarmed by what appears to be delusion in others. It's often a precursor to big trouble.

But there is a naivete in this position (sometimes called the correpondence theory of truth) wherein we can actually map our language to the world it describes. Rationalism requires that this mapping be theoretically possible. An honest investigation of semiotics strongly suggests it is not.

Putting the question back on you, on what epistemic grounds would you draw a distinction between the "silly" things believed by theists and the "silly" things believed by English speakers? The latter are generally adhered to unconsciously, but are is no less ontological. The phrase "It is is raining" has no *actual* correspondence to the event it describes, which is unitary and not broken up into a subject and verb, do-er and doing, being and essence, substance and property. I know what you mean when you say it is raining, largely because we share a convention, not because I can check in on the disposition of a certain "it" and verify that it is a positive state of rainingness. We must convey the truth by means of falsehoods.

Put it in terms of your own bread and butter. What substance are elementary particles "made of"? As a matter of practice we divide reality (going back to Aristotle) into matter and form. That is, we have a common-sense metaphysical presumption of substance-form duality. A clay pot is made "of" clay and "into" a certain form. This leads us to believe that there is a certain kind of thing --substance, or matter-- which takes on various forms according to natural laws. Democritan atomism was the last great hope that we would discover what matter really "is," by virtue of its indivisibility. But when we discovered that atoms themselves were "made" of particles, which themselves had none of the usual properties of matter, such as mass, location, dimensionality, or durability through time, the duality of form and substance collapsed into a single "formal" dynamic. Matter turns out to be an illusion.

I find it hard to connect the language stuff to the rest of the essay, inasmuch as we're doing all of this with english-subject-verb-object language, whether or not we are of the Ionian persuasionThat can't be helped. It's paradoxical, except to the extent that I try to avoid the kind of pure-truth propositions that I claim language does not permit.

To that end, both poetry (and other art-forms) and esoteric "spiritual" techniques (such as meditation, chants, koans, and yogic exercises, perhaps even forms of psychotherapy) are probably far more effective conveyors of an understanding of what I write here, than my actual writing is. But communication in the philosophical/intellectual arena matters too, if only to give the non-linguistic understanding something to resonate with.

Does this get us anywhere?

 
At 10:30 AM, Anonymous anik said...

since koans are deliberately designed to produce a state of satori completely outside language because it is inexpressible and completely subjective, how do you think koans would better serve your purpose?

 
At 10:52 AM, Blogger underverse said...

Anik,

Mu?

 
At 11:21 AM, Anonymous anik said...

fraudulent!

 
At 4:27 AM, Blogger caynazzo said...

You had me up until this point: "Within it is embedded the supposition that technology makes our lives better. How do we know? Because it manifestly makes our lives "better," where "better" is defined as the thing that technology does.

Technology isn't always better, and not even necessarily cumulatively better. We can know this because we apply measurable criterion to what we mean when we say "better." Lifespan, literacy, democracy, human rights. These are a few things that can increase or decrease that are influenced by technology.
Or did I miss something?

 
At 11:22 AM, Blogger underverse said...

Caynazzo,

The sentiment you object to was not my own, but my paraphrase of Dawkins' remarks about technology and science. The full quote is linked to from the main text.

 
At 2:07 PM, Blogger Ian H Spedding said...

Just a word of congratulation from another divertee from Evolving Thoughts. Yours is easily one of the more graceful and eloquent responses to the writings of leading atheist rationalists like Dawkins and Myers.

Stylistic considerations aside, as both an agnostic and an atheist I believe - or have faith in - the superiority of science a means of investigating and explaining the world. (I see no reason, unlike some atheists, to be afraid of using the word 'faith' as I believe it is something we all have to some degree whether we admit it or not.) I see nothing wrong in speculation, whether metaphysical or otherwise, provided we are careful to distinguish between those which are testable, those which have been tested to some degree and those which have not or cannot. I believe the great Popper himself (praise be to Karl) encouraged scientists to be bold in their conjectures.

As I see it, the stridency of tone heard in the writings of many of the so-called New Atheists is a reaction to the overweening social and political ambitions of the more fundamentalist brethren, most notably evangelical Christians in the United States although not just them by any means. But the abrasiveness of some atheists is as nothing compared to vitriol coming from some of our 'compassionate and loving' Christians.

This is no small thing either. If public opinion polls are to be believed, atheists have been held in very low esteem by the American public at least since polling began. What the New Atheists appear to have done is raise the profile of - and increased respect for - atheism as a philosophical or religious position. How long this will last, whether atheism will gain more ground or subside to its original level after being 'flavour of the month', we have no way of knowing. But I believe what has been done is a step forward.

The problem, as I see it, is not so much religion as it is totalitarian or absolutist thinking of any sort, whether it be religious dogma or political ideology. The moment people believe they have hit upon some Absolute Truth is the moment when they stop listening to other viewpoints or arguments. It is the moment when they lose doubt and humility (and, let's face it, who really wants to be humble and filled with doubt?). It can also be the time when they begin losing any qualms they might have had about doing almost anything to further that truth.

As I believe the New Atheists have pointed out themselves on many occasions, they do recognize that religions are not monolithic structures but their contention is that the humanity, discernment and, dare I say it, rationality displayed in your post is a minority view in most faiths. They argue that what is more common and truly representative is the narrow and bigoted fundamentalism characteristic of the Religious Right. Of course, not all are as extreme as the extremists - they wouldn't be extremists if everyone were like them, I suppose - but their intolerance of anything other than their own is still something that needs to be confronted. Whether it will do any good remains to be seen.

 
At 6:23 PM, Blogger caynazzo said...

I think the reason I didn't recognize it as a paraphrase of Dawkins is because it doesn't resemble anything close to what he actually said...which is odd, because you then go on to quote him.

For what it's worth, you've written a fine post, even with the Dawkin's caricature.

 
At 6:44 PM, Blogger underverse said...

Caynazzo,

My mistake. I was going from memory. The passage you are referring to is a paraphrase of a general functionalist argument in defense of reductionism, not one that Prof. Dawkins, or anyone else, made personally.

 
At 6:57 PM, Blogger Burk Braun said...

Well-written!

So how do we ever evaluate the world and our place in it? We do so by the tools of our moral sentiments, to put it in Scottish parlance.

If the beauty of the world rises in subjective importance vs the beauty of our private economic goods, then thence we will repair to repair the world. A great deal depends on the mechanics of economics and politics, but dragging atheism and positivism into it seems quite unfair. It is like the usual sighing about how atheists "just don't get" how deep and feeling and sentimental all us theists are.

The atheists are not against subjective evaluation- indeed, they say again and again that our morals are our own to author however we wish- templating them on evolution certainly won't do. Nor on technology or anything else. Their message is one of freedom- that whatever it is we want, in all our wisdom, that we should do.

It is only thinking that what we really want is somehow not properly known to us, but better known to dressed-up farts fronting for an imagined deity (or three) that seriously misrepresents the proper method of evaluation.

 
At 11:33 PM, Blogger Elatia Harris said...

Well written no kidding, Burk!

 
At 2:10 PM, Anonymous Fabio Cunctator said...

Hi Chris,

I must confess that I've been a bit absent from your blog lately, and I've come to this post only through the 3QD competition. I tend to agree with you on all counts, especially of course on the cultural specificity of the categories employed in these debates. Well written.

Only one doubt: I don't think that Dan 'one-of-the-4-Horsemen' Dennett would particularly like this post :)

 
At 5:23 PM, Blogger Elatia Harris said...

Fabio C., I'm sure Daniel Dennett is capable of reading to the end a thing he may not like. I would very much like him to have the chance to read Chris's essay. For that, Chris has to prevail in the plebiscite -- please return to 3QD asap and vote for him!

 
At 5:29 PM, Blogger underverse said...

Elatia,

Fabio has a nomination of his own; he's the proprietor at Hypertiling. And he's more behind the 8 ball than I am, having called Dan Dennett a "zombie" in comments on his nominated post.

 
At 2:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2009/09/3qd-philosophy-prize-2009-finalists.html

 
At 12:13 PM, Blogger John said...

I am puzzled by your use of an environmentalist perspective to attack the rationalist/scientific program, since historically environmentalism is a product of science. Hunter-gatherers are slobs who throw their trash everywhere. Environmentalism as we understand it is a modern creation that assumes our power over the world, for good or ill. Look around, and you will see that the leaders of the environmental movement are more likely to be biologists or climate scientists than theologians or philosphers.

 
At 1:27 PM, Blogger underverse said...

John, I don't think I am "attacking" the rationalist perspective here. I'm characterizing it as a type of "enchantment" here but noting that (as the Cynics did centuries ago, and many Buddhists do today) that enchantment is the price of culture, and can't be helped.

As far as environmentalism goes, I deeply disagree that it assumes human "power over the world," scientific or otherwise. To the extent scientists endorse an environmental view, (as surely most biologists do) it is a recognition that this power is an illusion. Hunter-gatherers may or may not have been slobs, but they did not tend to have the hubristic idea they could get away with shitting where they eat.

 
At 6:26 PM, Blogger infanttyrone said...

You folks have got Y2Sirius on the power/importance of language....

RE: Rain
If it's a bookkeeping trick (no contest there), I suggest that the subject and predicate you detect are "in your head" rather than in the weather. Some of us see a *process* of water (both vapor and liquid), temperature, pressure, wind, etc., which, though it surely takes part in our common, rational semantics, is immune to your enchanted consultations... we're quite aware of what's coming down. (Hexagram 42?)

Your...
But when we discovered that atoms themselves were "made" of particles, which themselves had none of the usual properties of matter, such as mass, location, dimensionality, or durability through time, the duality of form and substance collapsed into a single "formal" dynamic. Matter turns out to be an illusion.

Please, you need to get out more, if only to a comedian's website...
Bill Hicks = *highly* recommended.

"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

Refute dat, Dr. J!

 
At 9:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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